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Considering everything going on in the comic book industry (minus a certain blue hedgehog) has been crazy and not just on Marvel and DC's end I figured it's time to open up a discussion on Comic Books...in General!

So if any of you are reading Current or Old Comic Books let us know your thoughts on how they stack up or why they don't, or how you feel about the media in general and it's themes. Go nuts, just make sure you don't break reality and reboot everything while you do so. XP

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Saw this video and it brought some interesting points regarding the current state of Marvel at the moment of this post, as well as regards to the Legacy of Super Heroes. Do you think some Super Heroes should only be one man or woman should retain a title or shall there be a legacy for any super hero?

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14 hours ago, Mike Arcade said:

 Do you think some Super Heroes should only be one man or woman should retain a title or shall there be a legacy for any super hero?

It depends; a legacy works better for some types of heroes (like Spider-Man or Green Lantern) than others (Wolverine, for example). And some legacies seem to be cursed (e.g. Ms. Marvel). Even though I grew up reading about Peter Parker, who was the one and only Spider-Man at the time, I also like Miles as Spider-Man. Ben Reilly, who later came to be known as Scarlet Spider, is a different matter though.

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3 hours ago, MoKat said:

It depends; a legacy works better for some types of heroes (like Spider-Man or Green Lantern) than others (Wolverine, for example). And some legacies seem to be cursed (e.g. Ms. Marvel). Even though I grew up reading about Peter Parker, who was the one and only Spider-Man at the time, I also like Miles as Spider-Man. Ben Reilly, who later came to be known as Scarlet Spider, is a different matter though.

I agree, although not sure how I feel about X-23 being Wolverine, I mean that code name of hers was originally her test tube number and considering what happened to the original Logan I guess it makes sense taking the mantle but I dunno. I do think that the New Hulk should have been a whole new character, Kamala Ms. Marvel seems to be okay but I don't know much about her, the worst of the new legacy characters is Riri Williams Iron Heart for sure though.

Aside from the crazy mess that was the Clone Saga and Ben Reilly's recent actions what's wrong with him? I know the history about some comics but not every thing, I don't read current comics personally though DC looks to have been doing a lot better since DC Rebirth while Marvel has gone down hill with a very few exceptions.

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20 hours ago, Mike Arcade said:

I agree, although not sure how I feel about X-23 being Wolverine, I mean that code name of hers was originally her test tube number and considering what happened to the original Logan I guess it makes sense taking the mantle but I dunno. I do think that the New Hulk should have been a whole new character, Kamala Ms. Marvel seems to be okay but I don't know much about her, the worst of the new legacy characters is Riri Williams Iron Heart for sure though.

Aside from the crazy mess that was the Clone Saga and Ben Reilly's recent actions what's wrong with him? I know the history about some comics but not every thing, I don't read current comics personally though DC looks to have been doing a lot better since DC Rebirth while Marvel has gone down hill with a very few exceptions.

I'm enjoying Cho's (mis)adventures as the "totally awesome" Hulk so far, but I can see where you're coming from. I like Kamala, but it seems like Very Bad Things tended  to happen to the ladies who go by the moniker "Ms. Marvel" (look up Carol Danvers and Sharon Ventura...I don't count Sofen cuz she was a villain who went by the name "Moonstone" first).

I never really warmed up to Ben Reilly...and the Clone Sage definitely didn't help.

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What did he do recently?

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Ah and back again I am, so in a recent story arc Ben Riley was not only brought back essentially, but also became this villain called Anubis whose plan was to clone/bring back everyone dead in Peter's life including Uncle Ben but failed to do that. As far as I know Kaine (The New Scarlet Spider) and such were hunting him down at least until Secret Invasion happened anyway.

So Cho's Hulk Stories are pretty good then? Eh, I'm all for a lighter Hulk such as him but still I'd have preferred a new character then anything else, funny enough in that Ultimate Spider-Man Cartoon Series he became the Iron Spider so it's not the first time he's taken up another hero's mantle.

The Clone Saga didn't end up how it originally was suppose to be hence why it's so infamous, honestly regarding the comics as crazy as this'll sound I like the original idea of him obtaining the mantle of Spider-Man while Peter Parker gets a happy ending, since most of his recent stories aren't that great especially since One More Day, heck the best Spider-Man story I can think of is the Ultimate Marvel Series (Even after his "Death") and Superior Spider-Man. Had that plan actually happen I think all that crap like One More Day would have never happened, heck maybe Aunt May should have laid to rest too now that I think about it. Don't mind me though as my views regarding fiction can seem very strange and off, that's just me.

Although I can't stand Carol Danvers Captain Marvel, she's a complete failure of a character and became irredeemable to me ever since Civil War II, at least Tony Stark questioned himself constantly during the first Civil War as stupid as that storyline ended up.

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Indeed it did, granted I thought Danvers was pretty cool, once she became Captain Marvel though it became a downward spiral that really shouldn't have been.
 


Now THIS video right here highlights my biggest problem about the X-Men Series, as in why are they hated while most Super Heroes are generally liked in the Marvel Universe. It seriously makes no sense, and even the comic explanation in here just takes away everything that the series meant with it's subtext. I call it the "All Mutants or No Mutants" Scenario, if all Mutants from the X-Men are hated then Super Heroes in general no matter how they got their powers should be generally feared or seen as freaks less they are hired by government officials kinda like what Ultimate Marvel did. But if Super Heroes are well liked then there's no reason why the X-Men should be treated like garbage overall when they save the day. I've had this complex with the X-Men and Marvel for years now and I have no satisfactory answer on it, I mean if the X-Men are called Mutants then shouldn't Super Heroes in general be called Mutants? I mean they HAVE Super Powers and granted magic and biology regarding power origins is pretty different to say the least but still.

Heck in the comic storyline Days of Future Past every Mutant AND Super Hero was wiped out, the Sentinels saw no differentiation between the two and up until recently the Avengers, SHIELD, pretty much no one wanted to directly help Mutant kind out unless they had no real choice in the matter, not because they hate them or anything but...just because I guess. In fact as much as I like say Spider-Man and Wolverine team up I really liked how consistent Fox's X-Men Series was overall regarding how Mutants were treated. Heck I like the MCU because they don't have to deal with the snags regarding Mutants, the fear and paranoia is replaced regarding the Inhumans who were genetically engineered by aliens. Though the fear of Inhumans however actually makes sense unlike Mutants as they are compromised by Alien Forces (The Kree) and who knows what they'll do, they have an entire kingdom!

Look I like the X-Men Series as a whole, the 90's Cartoon was one of my favorites as a kid, but with the Marvel Universe as a whole it doesn't make any sense to me, I'd honestly prefer that they'd separate Marvel Super Heroes and X-Men Series as different worlds somehow.

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On 6/22/2017 at 9:08 PM, Mike Arcade said:

Indeed it did, granted I thought Danvers was pretty cool, once she became Captain Marvel though it became a downward spiral that really shouldn't have been.
 


Now THIS video right here highlights my biggest problem about the X-Men Series, as in why are they hated while most Super Heroes are generally liked in the Marvel Universe. It seriously makes no sense, and even the comic explanation in here just takes away everything that the series meant with it's subtext. I call it the "All Mutants or No Mutants" Scenario, if all Mutants from the X-Men are hated then Super Heroes in general no matter how they got their powers should be generally feared or seen as freaks less they are hired by government officials kinda like what Ultimate Marvel did. But if Super Heroes are well liked then there's no reason why the X-Men should be treated like garbage overall when they save the day. I've had this complex with the X-Men and Marvel for years now and I have no satisfactory answer on it, I mean if the X-Men are called Mutants then shouldn't Super Heroes in general be called Mutants? I mean they HAVE Super Powers and granted magic and biology regarding power origins is pretty different to say the least but still.

Heck in the comic storyline Days of Future Past every Mutant AND Super Hero was wiped out, the Sentinels saw no differentiation between the two and up until recently the Avengers, SHIELD, pretty much no one wanted to directly help Mutant kind out unless they had no real choice in the matter, not because they hate them or anything but...just because I guess. In fact as much as I like say Spider-Man and Wolverine team up I really liked how consistent Fox's X-Men Series was overall regarding how Mutants were treated. Heck I like the MCU because they don't have to deal with the snags regarding Mutants, the fear and paranoia is replaced regarding the Inhumans who were genetically engineered by aliens. Though the fear of Inhumans however actually makes sense unlike Mutants as they are compromised by Alien Forces (The Kree) and who knows what they'll do, they have an entire kingdom!

Look I like the X-Men Series as a whole, the 90's Cartoon was one of my favorites as a kid, but with the Marvel Universe as a whole it doesn't make any sense to me, I'd honestly prefer that they'd separate Marvel Super Heroes and X-Men Series as different worlds somehow.

It always confused me how Spiderman was not considered effectually mutant and thus deserving of the same social stigma. He is a mutate which means he was not born but made what he was, but nevertheless is still a mutant. And from perspective of a society who does not know his origins and actually indentity, then why treat him differently than Wolverine? I could aonot understand metahumans like Captain America having the trust of society in Marvel in the X-man context, since he is a product of carefully thought out science and not a (rather scientifically puerile) game of genetic Russian-Roulette and has the veneer of oversight (he is an American soldier after all). Iron man works as well as he a brilliant human being with amazing means to achieve superhuman heights through his resources and innovations. But immortals like Thor, mutates like Hulk and Spider-Man, contain the similar chaotic elements like that of a mutant and thus just clash with the mythos of X-man when they are lavished with praise in the presence of mutant metahuman prejudice.

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21 hours ago, TheRedStranger said:

It always confused me how Spiderman was not considered effectually mutant and thus deserving of the same social stigma. He is a mutate which means he was not born but made what he was, but nevertheless is still a mutant. And from perspective of a society who does not know his origins and actually indentity, then why treat him differently than Wolverine? I could aonot understand metahumans like Captain America having the trust of society in Marvel in the X-man context, since he is a product of carefully thought out science and not a (rather scientifically puerile) game of genetic Russian-Roulette and has the veneer of oversight (he is an American soldier after all). Iron man works as well as he a brilliant human being with amazing means to achieve superhuman heights through his resources and innovations. But immortals like Thor, mutates like Hulk and Spider-Man, contain the similar chaotic elements like that of a mutant and thus just clash with the mythos of X-man when they are lavished with praise in the presence of mutant metahuman prejudice.

Then again Spider-Man is stigmatized in comic by the local New York City newspaper “the Daily Bugle” by the editor, J. Jonah Jameson (and yet he is making money for his Spider-Man articles being printed). As for the Hulk he’s hunted by General Ross because Hulk is dangerous and he also seeks to use the gamma radiation research that created him as a weapon for the US military to use. Yes I do see how the chaotic elements of x-men clash with the other marvel heroes. I think the reason why the other marvel characters clash with x-men in mythos is because of the comics reflected the attitudes of the times they were created. For example, Captain America initially created during WWII in marvel’s infancy, Iron Man during the Vietnam conflict, Hulk and the fantastic four to emphasize the advancements in scientific achievements such as understanding space exploration, and understanding atomic energy along with the formation and understanding of genetics. As for the X-men, they came about on the back drop of the civil rights movement. 

I don’t know how to splice the x-men with the other marvel heroes tbh. Unless there is something missing...

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On 4/24/2018 at 6:34 PM, Akessel92 said:

Then again Spider-Man is stigmatized in comic by the local New York City newspaper “the Daily Bugle” by the editor, J. Jonah Jameson (and yet he is making money for his Spider-Man articles being printed). As for the Hulk he’s hunted by General Ross because Hulk is dangerous and he also seeks to use the gamma radiation research that created him as a weapon for the US military to use. Yes I do see how the chaotic elements of x-men clash with the other marvel heroes. I think the reason why the other marvel characters clash with x-men in mythos is because of the comics reflected the attitudes of the times they were created. For example, Captain America initially created during WWII in marvel’s infancy, Iron Man during the Vietnam conflict, Hulk and the fantastic four to emphasize the advancements in scientific achievements such as understanding space exploration, and understanding atomic energy along with the formation and understanding of genetics. As for the X-men, they came about on the back drop of the civil rights movement. 

I don’t know how to splice the x-men with the other marvel heroes tbh. Unless there is something missing...

 Spider-Man is still seen to be a hero, despite the New York Times...I mean Daily Buguel. As you can see by the White House, Fake News can’t keep New Yorkers down. XP

Hulk’s social tensions also does not line up with X-men and is kind of dissonant symbolically with its own historical context. Is Ross symbolizing the WW2 traditional solider wanting to be relevant in a world of atomic M.A.D? Because his theme would make more sense if he was trying to tame and weaponize the Hulk, like we recklessly try to tame the power of nuclear fission. It sounds more fitting for a pro-denuclearization story or at least a cautionary tale about weaponizing the powers of physics. 

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I am open to considering ways to harmonize the X-men. But there would be no civil rights analogue in that world due to hero being seen as mostly heros by society. It would make sense that certain counter cultures would be anti meta-human but not to the comical ubiquity of the lore as is. To add hysteria just make it more like the AIDS hysteria and make mutants contagious and their powers unpredictable. Biologically it makes no sense for people to “evolve” powers (mutation is a loss or reshuffling of genetic information - not a gain). Wolverine would be more genetically similar to a Chihuahua compared to the original Canis Lupis if we want to be scientifically honest...So I would propose it’s viral. It’s an infectious retrovirus that tries and turns you into meta-human and has wild unpredictable results, even to the point of kill several hosts. Or perhaps some symbiotic parasite, again to the point of killing several hosts. If you sleep with someone they get it - and your teenager daughter could just melt one day after some fling with a predator spreading it. I would turn it all on it’s head and make it more about how social “progressivism” has corroded individual responsibility, creates more pharsieism and intolerance, and erodes perceptions objective truths. You could also make themes like Reparations and race-baiting show up. Don’t make them saints and give normal people more sensible reasons to be concerned. I would even make a subsection be bullies later in the story trying to gain political dominance by playing as Antifa-like ideological narcissists,  and then there is the really crazy cases like Bug-Chasers and the sexual assault of Felix Green . [Video has Language and sexual themes.} If you want to make social commentary in your comics, nuance equals subtlety. Subtlety makes better thoughtful entertainment.   

UPDATE: You could also consider the craziness of Covid-19 as prime material for something like this. 

 

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IDW Publishing Loses MORE Executives as Comic Book Publisher SINKS!

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The revolving door spins VERY fast at IDW Publishing. The President and another VP are suddenly leaving. The future looks very grim for the beleaguered comic book publisher. IDW has been losing cash for 3 to 4 years in a row. How long until they finally pull the plug?

This does not look good for IDW and by extension their Sonic series. Kneon & Geeky Sparkles discuss it here:

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When a company starts the final dive into complete collapse, they find someone to pin their mistakes on, this is why they almost always get in a new CEO/boss at the last minute. These executives possibly jumped off the sinking ship to not be stuck with the blame.

 

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I have many- especially from TAS because they borrowed heavily  from Denny O’Neil and Neal Adams return of the dark knight detective. Everyone says Frank Miller, but I think Miller did better in Daredevil than Batman. 
 

As far as comics, look for the Batman Special from 1984. It was written by Mike Barr, and the villain was The Wraith. Think Star Trek Mirror-Mirror version of Batman, without the villain actually being an evil Bruce Wayne, and sans the goofy goatee. I make that analogy because Barr wrote DC’s Star Trek comic book. The Wraith was like Alec Trevalyan’s Janus in Goldeneye, Batman’s opposite number, who could match him thought for thought and blow for blow. I think the story was later revisited a few years ago by DC, around 2006 or so (?). 
 

But anything by Chuck Dixon (writer) and Graham Nolan (artist) is good Batman. Watch the next Ask Chuck Dixon on YouTube, and you will catch a question from me to Chuck....

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On 11/18/2020 at 9:33 PM, SGT Rock Vox said:

But anything by Chuck Dixon (writer) and Graham Nolan (artist) is good Batman. Watch the next Ask Chuck Dixon on YouTube, and you will catch a question from me to Chuck....

I'm curious what Chuck would have done if he was given the chance to write a Batman movie

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I read Marvel's Deapool series, but that ended earlier this year. Immortal Hulk has been a strange, but interesting ride so far; The Leader is actually a serious threat! Haven't been following X-Men much lately. The series of Zorro mini-series put out by American Mythology have been very enjoyable, tho' they tend to have more supernatural/horror stuff in 'em than the original Zorro comics ever did.

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This disgusts me...I want nothing to do with a "woke" Superman >.<

New Superman revealed to be bisexual, global activist in DC Comics [NY Post]

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Continuing a recent trend of comic book characters coming out as LGBTQ, Superman is now confirmed to be bisexual and on the fight for global social issues, according to the DC team behind the character, who spoke to IGN.

This news is not for the traditional iteration of Clark Kent, but instead his 17-year-old son, Jon, who has taken up his father’s mantle.

 

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On 10/17/2021 at 7:00 PM, MoKat said:

The thing is, they're actually doing the right thing, in which they made a new character to do something like this instead of taking an already established character and going for it because representation.

However, it feels forced. DC literally just drops a "oh he's bi by the way" thing out there with no real build up or hint to prior to. It felt like they just wanted to check a box off and go on their way. Just sudden, shock character development.  I wouldnt be surprised in 5 or so years this gets dropped and never spoken of again

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17 hours ago, Wulfsbane said:

The thing is, they're actually doing the right thing, in which they made a new character to do something like this instead of taking an already established character and going for it because representation.

Good point.

17 hours ago, Wulfsbane said:

However, it feels forced. DC literally just drops a "oh he's bi by the way" thing out there with no real build up or hint to prior to. It felt like they just wanted to check a box off and go on their way. Just sudden, shock character development.

I agree; definitely feels forced.

{Edit: Here is what Dean Cain (who played Superman on TV for years) had to say about it - 'Woke' Superman's Mission Is Neither Bold Nor Brave

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I say they’re jumping on the bandwagon, but they’re fighting the wrong issues. There is a clear agenda here. It’s globalist, it’s anti-America, but it’s not bold and it’s not brave.  

 

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Superman colorist quits over comic's embrace of wokness [Fox News]

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A colorist involved in creating the Superman comic says he is quitting his position in response to the "wokeness" that has permeated the franchise.

 "I’m finishing out my contract with DC. I’m tired of this s***, I’m tired of them ruining these characters; they don’t have a right to do this," Superman: Son of Kal-El colorist Gabe Eltaeb said during a recent podcast, according to Bounding Into Comics.

 

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DC Comics Getting DOWNSIZED? [Clownfish TV]

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Kneon gives us his 2 cents about the situation:

The merger he mentions was reported by the NY Post here - WarnerMedia-Discovery merger OK’d, but Amazon-MGM remains in limbo

One commenter had a good point:

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Reasonable, pragmatic and rational decision especially when high production cost and income drop in recent financial report. If they don't bring more income then they don't have a choice but to seld DC or sell the characters just like when SONY bought Spiderman from Marvel comics.

 

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