ToaArcan

I'm not sure beyond that, to be honest. Probably in charge of protecting something I guess. As for how did she keep them safe for so long, well, Robotnik didn't expect them to survive. He thought they would've starved, and so didn't bother looking for them.

Well, we've had a bit of a revival.

Hmm... Let's have a new character... How abooouuuut... Sally. How would you handle the leader of the FF and Sonic's main squeeze?  What needs to change, what needs to be brought into the fore more, and what needs to be added.

4 hours ago, Mike Arcade said:

On that note Arcan, so your answer for Cosmo would be to basically turn her into a Fiona Fox, only around Tails age then right? I gotta say, coming from you that irony is hilarioous.

I would disagree there. Evil!Fiona had no personality beyond "Sneer at everything and hump Scourge's leg", and herstory didnt work because being forced onto an already-existing character, who had already been established as being completely unimpressed by Scourge and not at all evil. She didn't manipulate Tails at all, she spent most of her time antagonising Sally because Ian decided she and Scourge were the antithesis to Sonic and Sally. The one time she did argue with someone who was established to give a damn about her, it was Sonic, and he reduced her to tears in a few lines and went back to punching Scourge. This Cosmo would be foreshadowed from the beginning to have something ulterior going on, would use her position in the heroes' lineup to manipulate them (Such as getting the entire crew to fight Shadow on her behalf), and would become a very personal foe for Tails- One evil and manipulative, that he is also forced to love by a magic lake, perhaps leading up to an appearance by his own Super mode.

4 hours ago, Mike Arcade said:

How would you handle Emerl, who ended up not having a character in the show?

Literally just adapt the game. Cut out all of the filler in Season 2 (Did we really need the story about Eggman causing a permanent eclipse?), and do Battle proper, complete with Emerl's character being intact. Of course, that would mean bringing back SHadow sooner, but eh, he was one of the better parts of that game anyway.

Here's my idea:

Rosie was some form of ex-special forces. Who else would Maximillian trust to look after his daughter? Who else could keep them safe and train them to fight for the next ten years?

I'd make him a very minor character. He appears for a short arc, but is quickly phased out.

4 hours ago, F07E said:

So with that out of the way, I've got another one for you: the final frontier, the final season, SPACE. how would you handle cosmo, her people, and the metarex?

Oh, this is easy. Remove the gender-divide. In the show, all of the Seedrian females were peace-loving and turned into trees, while all of the males were the warlike, omnicidal Metarex. It was... odd, to say the least. If we're going to have a terrifying army of plant-aliens that intend to wipe out all animal life in the universe, then let's have them all do it. Including a certain Cosmo. When Shadow pitches up and attempts to kill her because she's a spy, he is 100% correct. And for bonus points, let's keep this happening after she and Tails take a dunk in the love potion. Except Cosmo isn't affected, and why would she be? She doesn't have a flesh-and-blood brain, because she's a plant. But that's not going to stop her from using it to her advantage.

Goes without saying that this Cosmo wouldn't be having flashbacks every ten seconds. 

It's interesting to note that Sonic continued to be lazy in the next TV adaptation. Weird, huh?

Well, that answers why Sonic specifically would not deal the death blow, but it wouldn't always work.

1) Sonic often fights Eggman alone, with no-one around for him to threaten, in one of Eggman's bases, so nothing of value would be lost.

2) There are other characters around, especially ones like GUN or the other villains.

Props for a Mecha Sally that has external armour rather than being basically rebuilt via body-horror. The former is what I went for with my design for her (And once again I bemoan my lack of scanner), and I think it works a lot better than the whole vivisection plot, which I felt was a bit too gruesome. The lighting of the scene and the dialogue Ian gave to Eggman made the whole thing unnecessarily uncomfortable too.

The Phage idea sounds really good too. I think one thing that was missing from Spark of Life was that Nicole and Nikki didn't feel connected. Right down to Nikki looking completely different to Nicole for no real reason. Having Phage be part of Nikki would be very interesting, much better than her being Generic Egg Minion #45438;

I'm going to look at this with a general reaction of "OKay, yeah", and only address a few things that should be brought up.

1) The Final Egg Blaster is a canonical weapon, and I actually lowballed it here. In Sonic Battle's final story, Eggman demonstrates this weapon, mounted on what was like the fourth Death Egg in the games. After being defeated by Emerl, Eggman uses the weapon as a show of force, intending to break Emerl's link with Sonic and force him to form one with him instead. It actually snuffed out multiple stars, but I brought it down to level of one star, and game up with the "Inducing a supernova" part to justify something of that power. Tying to the base in SA1 was me spitballing about why the base and weapon would have the same name.

2) Most of the stuff with Mecha Sonic was intentional. He's an old AI, programmed by a madman, granted sentience by a huge rock fueled by Chaos. If he doesn't come across as the most "alive", that's because he's really not meant to be. Just as Neo Metal simultaneously claimed to be the original Sonic yet boasted his purpose as "Being created to destroy Sonic", there are parts of Mecha Sonic that are just quirks of how his AI has been warped by Chaos. His hypocrisy was also an intended thing, as I wanted to make it so that he is largely in the right about Eggman's failures, he's not a perfect being waltzing in and speechifying. He's an egotist with enough power to make himself invincible to those he's confronting, and he loves the sound of his own voice. He has a cruel streak a mile wide and his people skills are just as bad as his creator's. If you find yourself hating him... good! It worked. 

3) Reginald wasn't meant to be an important figure. He was my take on the "Tassel boy" thing from the more recent comics. He existed to be made an example of, but I wanted it to be done in a way that gave him a personality, rather than just using him as an awkward, uncomfortable punchline. Maybe you're used to fics that have unnecessary centralised OCs, but I prefer to keep everything centralised on the canonical protagonists and use OCs primarily as redshirts.

4) I wouldn't call Mecha Sonic a woman-beater. He's equal-opportunity evil. He's not interested in what's between someone's legs, he's interested in whether they are in his way or not. If they are, then he's going to go through them. What am I supposed to do, give him a female sidekick to have Designated Girl Fights with all the other female characters? By that same token, say I'm writing a fight scene with Sally in it. Can she only fight female characters and genderless robots? Do any male opponents just have to stand there and get beaten up because they're misogynist if they fight back? Mecha Sonic doesn't single out Thunderbolt for her gender, he attacks her because she attacks him first. 

5) Mecha Sonic's excuse for not crushing Thunderbolt amounts to her being much less solid than Orbot and Cubot. They're mostly made of solid metal, whereas Thunderbolt is primarily made of soft tissue and she would make more of a mess.

6) This story has no hero. I wasn't about to try and make either Mecha Sonic or Eggman into a more likeable figure just so people could root for someone.

Mina hasn't caused as much of a stir as Scourge, and I'm still holding off on Fiona for now...So how about Eggman himself? How would you handle the comic's most common villain?

I'm going to weigh in a little here: I think Eggman's portrayal in the comic currently is hindered by Ian trying to make him a villain protagonist. Prior to the reboot, the opposite was true: Eggman was so vile that it was impossible to justify why nobody ever tried to kill him, especially since the FF did try to kill him when he was a robot, but conveniently stopped when he became flesh and blood again. Funny that. 

So yes, how wuld you handle making Eggman a good villain that makes sense in the universe?

Cool.

The thing is, it's more than one trope, it's a very played-out and rather tired plot by now, leading up to one of two options:

Jumped at the Call: The hero jumps up and charges off to fight, normally seeming rather unrealistic unless their life is already garbage.

Refusal of the Call/The Call knows where you live: The hero refuses because it's too much and then something horrible happens to their family so they want revenge.

That's an interesting topic, I must say, though I find myself disagreeing with a fair few choices.

I found myself keeping Spark over Thunder Fang in general, due to the former having more accuracy.

On 13/06/2016 at 6:57 AM, F07E said:

Might be worth a shot, however I don't feel as though I could really do them any justice when compared to the original SatAM designs. (on a side note I might draw sally in elise's dress with antoine dressed as a useless soleanna guard at some point, I've always wanted to do that)

Well, it would be better than what we did get. ALternatively, "reboot-style" preboot characters.

Interesting ideas for Mina, I really don't have much for her beyond "She exists", so I was interested in seeing what other people would make of her.

Eh, already used that one

Scourge, as a character, is pretty irredeemable. He's no more able to become a hero than Sonic is to be corrupted.

That said, I doubt we're going to get more views on Scourge. If you happen to be finding this thread later, then you're more than welcome to post your own thoughts on him, so let's try someone else. How about... Mina.

2 hours ago, Mike Arcade said:

Like say since he absorbed energy from the Master Emerald, the conflicting energies in body made him stronger...at first, but then become unstable resulting in Scourge dying due to both Chaos and Anarchy Energy inside him.

Funnily enough, I've been operating on that exact same plan for years. I proposed a concept called Anarchy/Chaos Poisoning, which works a bit like a slower version of matter/antimatter annihilation. Basically, being exposed to Chaos Energy is harmful to a Moebian, and being exposed to Anarchy Energy is harmful to a Mobian. Even the background radiation of each world is enough to start slowly killing the subject. Symptoms begin with a shift in eye colour, followed by other slight mutations and a massive increase in strength. However, after that, the bad stuff happens- The body stops aging, unable to grow without its respective energy type. It soon stops healing too, wounds become a permanent fixture. Mental problems and muscle degeneration follows, with other symptoms springing up, before the whole thing culiminates in mass haemorraging and the subject dies. It affects normals more quickly than it does those who have powers, and it doesn't effect humans at all, as they have no connection.

The rest is very interesting. The Super fight sounds good. Sonic would win via experience and skill, as opposed to brute power, I'm guessing.

58 minutes ago, Arekkisu said:

Favorite Pseudo-Legendary: Lucario

Lucario's not a Pseudo. A Pseudo is a name given to a set of three-stage Pokemon, which all have the same BST, and evolve at very high levels. They are Dragonite, Tyranitar, Metagross, Salamence, Garchomp, Hydreigon, and Goodra.

Both of those are good ideas, THe latter, there's evidence for physical abuse too in BNM.

It doesn't really tie it together as much as try to mash some conflicting sources together and retcon one of the ones that it used.

Let's start with the obvious one: How would you handle Sonic himself?

Here's an idea I had, similar to the Reconstructed stuff. That seems to be more about the stories themselves, but I want to discuss the most important part of the story: The characters.

Let's be honest, Sonic characters aren't the most fantastic out there. I generally see them as characters that have oceans of potential, and most of them are very good ideas, but they're hamstrung by SEGA's practices, or, in the cases of many Archie characters, the writers themselves.

Many of the Archie writers fall into a little trap I call "Story before characters". If they want to tell the story, but it doesn't make sense for the characters to act that way, well, they'll still write it. In my humble opinion, this isn't right, but then I suppose they're the professionals and I'm not. Still, I think if the story only works because one of the characters did something that doesn't make sense with what has been established about them, and that isn't in itself a plot point, then the story doesn't work.

So, with that in mind, let's look at the characters. How would you progress them from the foundation they have right now, or how would you change some things entirely? It's very tempting to start with Fiona Fox here, as I'm always fascinated by hearing what people think should've been done with her, but I don't think I shall. Instead, looks look at a more well-known target: 

How would you make Scourge work? What needs changing? What needs enhancing? What needs to be dropped altogether.

Tying the Gizoids to the Nocturnus didn't make a lot of sense, though. According to Battle's story, the civilisation that built Emerl killed all of his creators. According to Chronicles, some random Cthuloid space monster decided that one Gizoid out of many was dangerous enough to require pulling all of the people into another dimension, and that counted as Emerl "destroying them".

Very interesting, I must say.

Maybe you could take some of the concepts from the redesign images Bates posted for the FF and try to make a better New Sally and New Bunnie, etc.

I think this old strip from the Power Rings webcomic has a lot to do with the mentality. Apologies for the language therein, I didn't script it.